he said he's not going to support a tax cut that will add to the deficit. he hasn't filled in the blanks with how he'll be able to do that. i think there's a credibility issue, but where they can do these tax cuts and not add to the deficit. he hasn't spelled out the details. i think that's president-elect obama a broader problem with the romney messaging. there is not -- that's detail. i think they're hoping because the president's vulnerability on the economy, that's going to carry him to victory. i don't think it is. i think the voters want to know. >> gretchen: he did say the other night, fred, that to make up for that lost revenue, he would erase some of the loopholes. is what sheila saying he needs to get into more details than what he said the other night? >> i don't think he does need to. what he said is he's going to reduce tax rates, not reduce tax revenues. there is a huge difference in that. you reduce tax rates, you'll stimulate more job creation, stimulate more growth. that growth and that job creation is going to lead to people paying taxes.